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    I have used oil based Watco Natural Oil followed by semi gloss lacquer spray for 20 years.. The last few years buying out of state.. So in looking for a replacement I was going to do the 50/50 mix of Zinsser clear shellac and Denatured Alcohol.. No big surprise. Denatured Alcohol.is banned.. So other than moving out of state what are my options. I really wanted to try this before May. After that I can go to Nevada and buy my supplies again.
    The other John A. Nelson
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    I just follow the lines and make sawdust
    on a Seyco ST-21 and a Yellow DW788

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    I did a quick check and if DNA is not available the only other option is 99% Isopropyl alcohol. It is available through Amazon. Regular Isopropyl alcohol like you find in drug and grocery stores have to much water to use it.

    Sorry John
    Scott
    Creator of fine designer sawdust.

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    • #3
      It’s pricey, but grain alcohol—the kind you can drink—should work, I’ve used it with shellac flakes to make confectioner’s glaze for cake decorations. Around here, it’s legal in CT but not NY.
      Carole

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      • #4
        Cheap Vodka should work - but no idea that would cost considering the federal alcohol tax. Considering there are so many legitimate uses for it and I don't know what in it would be cancer causing so why is it on their restricted list.

        I see you are in Sacramento - Take interstate 5 to Oregon and there is a Home Depot about 15 miles north of the boarder - it is not on restricted list here and you could get a couple gallon cans.
        Last edited by Tom in Ashland; 04-05-2021, 07:48 PM.

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        • #5
          I live Southern California. What I’ve used for over twenty years is a 50/50 mix of boiled linseed oil and mineral spirits. The boiled linseed oil brings out the natural color and grain of the wood and the mineral spirits thins the oil and allows the oil to dry in 24-36 hours depending on humidity. Then a topcoat of semi gloss lacquer. There were a few months that I couldn’t find mineral spirits, but I can find anywhere now.
          Dan in So.Ca.

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          • #6
            Isn’t there a hefty fine if you being something into California that’s on their restricted list? As for the vodka, goes better in drinks.
            Betty

            "Congress needs to realize it is a government of the people, by the people and for the people. Not of the people, by the people and for Congress." - Dr. Benjamin Carson, Pediatric Neurosurgeon, Johns Hopkins Hospital

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            • #7
              Originally posted by dgman View Post
              I live Southern California. What I’ve used for over twenty years is a 50/50 mix of boiled linseed oil and mineral spirits. The boiled linseed oil brings out the natural color and grain of the wood and the mineral spirits thins the oil and allows the oil to dry in 24-36 hours depending on humidity. Then a topcoat of semi gloss lacquer. There were a few months that I couldn’t find mineral spirits, but I can find anywhere now.
              I have found the new California versions of Watco, Mineral Spirits, and Lacquer spray are very (sticky, gummy, etc)... That Is why I wanted to try shellac..
              The other John A. Nelson
              johnsworkshop.com
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              I just follow the lines and make sawdust
              on a Seyco ST-21 and a Yellow DW788

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              • #8
                Originally posted by NC Scroller View Post
                I did a quick check and if DNA is not available the only other option is 99% Isopropyl alcohol. It is available through Amazon. Regular Isopropyl alcohol like you find in drug and grocery stores have to much water to use it.

                Sorry John
                sorry to keep asking.. This sounds like my best choice.. has any one used it? and how do you store the mix?
                The other John A. Nelson
                johnsworkshop.com
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                I just follow the lines and make sawdust
                on a Seyco ST-21 and a Yellow DW788

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by keystonecop View Post

                  sorry to keep asking.. This sounds like my best choice.. has any one used it? and how do you store the mix?
                  I have not but from what I read it seems like you would use it just like DNA. When I have used shellac mixed with DNA I mixed it 50/50. If you want more gloss then use less alcohol.

                  Scott
                  Creator of fine designer sawdust.

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                  • #10
                    Not sure, but in my chemistry days, isopropyl is not the same as ethyl alcohol. Not sure how it would work.
                    Denny
                    ArtCrafters in Dayton, TN

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                    • #11
                      I had a can of the new mineral spirits when the stores around here stopped selling the good stuff. It was totally worthless. When Home Depot brought back the original, Bruce took the other to the dump for disposal. Lowe’s still doesn’t sell the original.
                      Betty

                      "Congress needs to realize it is a government of the people, by the people and for the people. Not of the people, by the people and for Congress." - Dr. Benjamin Carson, Pediatric Neurosurgeon, Johns Hopkins Hospital

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                      • #12
                        How are you applying the shellac? I generally spray and even brush it full strength, from the can. I used to thin it, but found it took a lot more applications to get the look & feel I wanted. Shellac should be applied in many thin coats, but I'm still able to accomplish that using it full strength, especially if I'm spraying. Brushing is a little tougher, as it dries so quickly, but with spraying, you can modify the gun settings and the speed of application to control the amount applied.
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                        • #13
                          I wanted to use the 50/50 mix in place of watco and lacquer spray because the water based versions are awful. I planed to dip in the 50/50 mix, then sand then dip again. But It seems that option is also not available in California.. It seems like I might as well wait and get all my supplies in Nevada. Maybe I will just add the finish in the Home Depot parking lot then bring the items back to California to keep it legal.. I would much prefer to use the methods that others have used and not experiment. A side note.. I did not ask on Facebook as I trust this groups answers.
                          The other John A. Nelson
                          johnsworkshop.com
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                          I just follow the lines and make sawdust
                          on a Seyco ST-21 and a Yellow DW788

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by keystonecop View Post

                            I have found the new California versions of Watco, Mineral Spirits, and Lacquer spray are very (sticky, gummy, etc)... That Is why I wanted to try shellac..
                            I haven’t used Watco Danish oil in years so I can’t speak to it, but the mineral spirits and spray lacquer is the same I have used for years. There is a “green” version of mineral available that is milky that I don’t use, but I can still get regular M/S. I can’t find Deft spray lacquer anymore but I can still get Minwax spray lacquer and if works just fine.
                            Dan in So.Ca.

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                            • #15
                              Shellac is available is several natural colors. See second photo here - https://www.shellacshack.com I have used quite a bit of shellac in the past and would buy the flakes and make up the concentration I needed for a project. I feel I got much better results than with commercial ready to use products.

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