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    I saw a fret done of the Harley Davidson emblem on eBay the other night that looked pretty nice. Since York is the home of the big Harley plant and there's a couple car/show craft shows coming up, I thought it might be something to try to sell at one of the shows. I'm still trying to see if there's a market around here for fretwork. Any body know where I can get the pattern?
    Pop
    Delta 16" 40-530
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  • #2
    Be careful with HD logo. Much has been said on this board about the issue or using trademarks for scrolling. One comment was that HD was one of those that wouldn't tolerate it infringement. Selling them so close to the HD plant might not be a good idea. Search this board for Harley Davidson to find relavent threads.
    Mike

    Craftsman 16" VS, Puros Indios and Sam Adams!
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    • #3
      I did a quick yahoo search and popped up with a couple of hits. The first one is a pumpkin carving site and you have to sign up to get the pattern. The second is a Harley Davidson site with coloring pages. I'm not sure about the legallity of using the coloring pages for patterns, but I would think the pattern on the pumpkin site would be ok.
      Jim
      DeWalt DW788 & Dremel 1680

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      • #4
        From what the copyright info on both of those sites say I don't think I would even attempt to try to sell one or even show it that close. I have been learning to create patterns and have been doing copyright free searches for projects. I have seen very little on Harley. Way I look at it Big name Big NO NO

        There are a couple threads on here about copyright issues and it just gets me totally bumfuzzled
        Makes my head hurt thinking about it not including crossed eyed from reading that tiny little fine print LOL

        from what I seen make sure you check the copyright info on the coloring book pages for using in the making of patterns because they are covered too. There are alot of copyright free pictures out there but like life make sure you read the fine print

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        • #5
          I bet Harley Davidson wouldn't even let you buy pictures from them, cut them into puzzles and re-sell them.
          Jeff Powell

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          • #6
            I'd be careful with the H-D emblem. I too have heard about their stringent copyright enforcement. But, that didn't deter me from making a shield emblem myself. I'm not going to sell it publicly via internet. PM me and I'll give ya' the details on how I got the pattern. Here's a link to a pic of the one I did. It's about 13" wide and 10 1/2" tall and the letters are recessed out.


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            • #7
              I was curious when I saw it on eBay because it was SO detailed. That's what made me inquire about where a pattern may be found. I guess this one may have been a pattern made by the scroller who originated the piece. I spent hours (only because my dial-up is so darn slow) looking everywhere for a similar pattern and couldn't find any... guess that should have been a clue. There's plenty of patterns for certain style bikes but NO emblems anywhere. Guess I'll stick to the bikes themselves. As always.... Thanks for the quick responses.

              Just out of curiosity... what's your thoughts on adding a specific car manufacture/model name to a fretwork of say a 57 Chevrolet or a 56 Corvette, if it's done in their actual font? Do they copyright actual fonts? May have opened a bag of worms ... or a thought provoking thread here.
              Pop
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              • #8
                After the Colts won the Super Bowl they caught a bunch of people selling Colts stuff and got them on copyright issues.
                I wouldn't touch that stuff with a 10' pole.

                Bob
                Delta P-20 & Q-3

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                • #9
                  Posing a question

                  So what if I owned a Harley and I took a photo of it and turned it into a pattern, Do you think Harley would have a leg to stand on then?
                  I am not saying using the logo but the bike itself.
                  CAЯL HIRD-RUTTEЯ
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                  • #10
                    good point Carl its your bike you took the photo and what you do with that photo as I see it HD shouldn't have a leg to stand on as long as you keep the emblem or the name HD off of the pattern, I see it as the same as walking along a creek and you see a beautiful mill you take a picture and you turn it into a pattern
                    Daryl S. Walters Psycotic scroller with a DeWalt 788

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                    • #11
                      I'm actually trying to make a pattern of my bike right now, I wouldn't think there would be a problem with it since it's my bike, in my driveway, from a picture taken with my camera. But on the other hand, it does have their logo on the tank, so it's pretty "iffy".
                      I did read somewhere that H-D was trying to sue another bike manufacturer for saying that their bikes sounded like a Harley, apparently H-D has a copyright on the actual sound their motor makes with their pipes. I don't understand how that would work, but it's what I heard.
                      Joel

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                      • #12
                        Oh, they can't copyright the sound of their bikes because alot of aftermarket bike manufactures, like even American Chopper, use Harley motors on their bikes sometimes, but the bike isn't a Harley. I can see them having a case based on the mentioning of comparison to the sound, but not the sound itself...if that makes any sense. You can make a pattern of your own harley..if it's a stock harley, alter the tank a hair, and don't call it a harley, just call it a motorcycle. Don't put the harley emblem on it, make your own emblem...there's so many custom bikes out their, harleys and not, that look pretty similar, and if made out of wood, nobody will know at all.
                        Jeff Powell

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                        • #13
                          Regarding the lawsuit over the Harley "sound" you might want to check out these links http://www.straightdope.com/columns/000915.html
                          http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/law/st_...998101101.html
                          It's not so much a copyright as it is a tradmark.
                          Bill

                          DeWalt 788



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                          • #14
                            Couple of points. First, I'm not a lawyer nor a copyright expert.

                            I've read that it is acceptable to take a 3D work like a statue and photograph and sell that photo without infringement. So your own photo of a bike is your intellectual property to do with as you like so long as any trademarks are not infringed.

                            The HD logo is what is trademarked not (IMHO) a physical motorcycle. Likely if someone was to MAKE a copy of a HD motorcycle, down to the trademark, they would find themselves in court in a heartbeat.
                            Mike

                            Craftsman 16" VS, Puros Indios and Sam Adams!
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                            • #15
                              http://groups.msn.com/TedsScrollsawP...to&PhotoID=199

                              Try this link POP. It is an eagle with harley logo on it.
                              What's the worst they can do ==== tell you you cant sell it!!!!!!
                              I sell Major League Baseball logo's at spring training games all the time with no problem.

                              If you can't get it, e-mail me with your address and I will send it to ya.

                              knothead

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