Glue & Rose Pattern

[Guest]

Good Morning Everyone! I found myself at work early so I thought I would use my time wisely. I did check out some of your free sites Bob and so far like what I saw. Good Job. I made the Rose pattern from your new issue to place on top of a jewelry box. I am currently looking for a different glue to use. I want one I can apply to the delicate veins of the leaves that won't spread when I gently clamp the rose onto the top. I will also use this glue to put my baskets together. The glue I currently use has squeeze out and it's time consuming cleaning up my projects. I tried gorilla glue and really don't like that. I think I am looking for a super wood glue. I tried what is in the stores but wasn't impressed with it. I read about a glue in one of the magazines that is what I am probably looking for but naturally I can't remember where I saw it or what the name is. Any help will be greatly appreciated. And the rose pattern came out very pretty. I cut it out of a cherry piece I had laying around with deep red veins running throughout the wood. It took me about 45 minutes to cut the pattern as it is more delicate than it looks. The second time attempting to cut the pattern I started the center of the large rose first. The first time I tried cutting the large cutouts in one cut. I found that with this pattern I had to cut differently than I usually do. I usually cut one section of waste in one cut then move onto another. With this pattern I had to section off the large sections and cut them in smaller sections. In other words, each section of waste had several starter holes instead of just one. This pattern is more delicate than it looks. I also slowed the speed of my saw to about 700rpm, I have a variable speed saw which really came in handy on this one! I also used a piece of plexiglass on my table that only has a small hole drilled for the blade, which gave it more support. I reduced the pattern by 25% to fit the box. All in all, after about 45 minutes I had a very beautiful cut out and will look stunning on the jewelry box made from poplar with green running through it. Really worth the time and extra patience!

[BobD (Archive)]

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Betty,
When do you try to clean up the glue. An old cabinetmaker's trick that I use a lot is to wait until the glue has started to set up. Then take an ordinary straw, pinch it so it makes a point, and use that to clean up the glue. The straw is soft enough that it doesn't damage the project, but stiff enough to clean up most of the squeezed out glue.

Bob

[Hi_Ho_Sliver]

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How about cyanacrylate?..not 'crazy glue' but the same stuff only a professional quality...you can get it at true value here, or acehardware and the best price is at our local hobby shop...you can get the 'thin', 'thick' or another that is like honey in density..plus get a little bottle of accelerator...just a tiny drop of the thick and hit it with the accelerator and it is stuck!..you might want to keep a can of acetone in case you 'stick' your fingers together! ha ha. I don't have much patience for watching paint dry or waiting for glue so I use this stuff on about everything anymore...that and elmers carpenter glue.....imho :P

[Bandaid]

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Hi Dave...Have you used that stuff to glue pieces together after a finish (oil or water based) has been applied? I am planning a project with a number of parts that I would like to stain before assembly.
Any thoughts?...Reg

[plain_ol_ed]

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Here's a trick we used when repairing wooden golf clubs with epoxy. We would paint the areas where we didn't want the epoxy to soak into the wood with rubber cement. After the epoxy was dry we just pealed off the rubber cement and applied finish to the whole club. I'd try it on whatever wood you are using first, as the wooden clubs were made from either persimmon or laminated maple.

[Guest]

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HiHO! That glue sounds good but when I glue up baskets I usually have to apply glue to many spots at once, then place the next rung on top and press together. Will that glue allow me to do that or not? After I am finished gluing up the entire basket I place a weight on top to let set for a few hours. This is when I miss the squeeze out because I can't get to it. I will get some and try it on waste wood and also trying staining first then gluing to see if the glue holds. THANKS EVERYONE! Now Back to work.

[Hi_Ho_Sliver]

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depending on which glue you get, there are several varieties, you can get one that is 20 to 25 seconds time...also if you leave off the accelerator, it takes longer to set up....as for painting, or finishing first, the glue actually works better if the wood is sealed..thats why I use the accelerator, because it grabs before the cyanoaculate has a chance to soak in...and when that happens, most of the time it doesn't stick. If I were doing several pieces at the same time, I would put a dab of something there first...stain , paint, clear depends on what my finish would be, then I would put the cyano. on and when all the pieces were in place, then I would hit it with the accelerator. You are right, play with this stuff a bit on some scrap..you will find out real fast what works and will have wasted nothing!

[jttheclockman]

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Betty
Welcome and glad you got things worked out with sign-on. I would like to take a stab at your question on glueing. First let me say I use yellow or brown carpenter's glue 95% of the time on my projects. The method I use when I want to glue an overlay is as follows. I take a small amount on a scrap of cardboard and take a sponge and dab into the glue and dab the cardboard a little then dab the back of the piece. The idea is not to have too much glue on the sponge. The stipling effect gives it good holding power. and it does not run out the sides. But when dabbing the back of the piece do not dab too hard just enough to get the glue on. Works great.

The other thing with the baskets I again use yellow carpenter' glue. Many scroller's prefer Aleen's Tacky glue which can be found in any craft store.They like the brown bottle. You can also use the crazy glue or super glue but beware these set fast. What I do is put some glue on a piece of cardboard and use a tooth pick to apply the glue to the contact points so I can control the right amout of glue used. I will try to post examples because it works for me and is easy to do. If you need more explanation I will try.    
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The top clock shows an overlay piece with a backer piece glued to the main body. The keepsake boxes show layered scrolled pieces.

[Hi_Ho_Sliver]

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Nice clocks Clockman!

[Bandaid]

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Thx. for passing on the tips guys.

[jttheclockman]

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Thanks Hi_Ho_Sliver for the kind words.

[will8989]

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Well first of all Clockman I have one word for your clocks: WOW!!! They are stunning. How long have you been doing this? Looks like years and years. I use the Aileen brown tacky glue and it works great when I am painting, which is almost never and I like the strength of it. My problem is the squeeze out on the baskets. I love it for when I break something and have to glue it back together, just sand when dry and can't even tell where the break is. I probably just need to take more time when I do the glue up so I don't have squeeze out. Sometime I can glue up all night and very little squeeze out and other times, I just walk away!

Hi Ho, you said to put something, stain, finish, etc. where you are placing the glue so it doesn't soak into the wood. Could the entire piece be finished first and then glued up? this would be easier on my hands as I sometimes have a hard time getting into the very bottom of the small baskets.

Also, what finish do you use? I am currently using Tung oil cut with turpentine, 3 to 1. I was thinking of trying tung oil/turpentine/polyurethane. My mother dips my ornaments for me and I was wondering if this would put more shine on them with just one dip instead of 2 or 3. I will try this on scrap wood, I'm sure I don't have to look to far for some, but would appreciate some formulas I could play with. THANKS EVERYONE!! 8)

[Hi_Ho_Sliver]

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About 90 per cent of the time I use Deft spray..and both satin and gloss depending on what the subject is....I don't have much patience watching paint dry.....or glue! lol

[will8989]

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Well here's my results with the glue. I finished a basket, put on some cyano let it dry and gave it the 'Betty' test. I tapped the side and I had individual rings in my hand. In other words, it didn't hold. That was with the brush on glue. I also tried the gel glue but there again I had squeeze out. So I am back to my Aileen's brown wood glue. I have to admit that I didn't get to the woodcraft store, they were closed on Sunday when I was in that area, so I just got several glues from Lowe's. I made sure it was just the plain cyano without ethel, thinking the ethel would be an accelerator? After gluing I put on my special weight, Chilton's Auto Manual for 1976 cars, and let it set until the next night. I am going to the woodcraft store tomorrow night, so what kind should I get? I don't like gorilla glue, unless I am using it wrong which is always a possibility. What I am trying to do is finish my project then glue it together but from my experiments I don't think it will work. Maybe after I finish the rungs, I should rough up the area where the glue goes with sandpaper? I have a very hard time getting my hands into the baskets and small boxes and getting a nice finish on them. Maybe I am doing something wrong there also? Any help would be greatly appreciated! My box that the rose cut out goes on is almost finished and ready for gluing. I only put one coat of finish on the back of the cutout to be glued to the top, but the top of the box is now in it's 5th drying stage and should only have one more to go. I finished it with 3 coats of tung oil and am now topcoating it with polyurthene for a super shiny finish, with steel-wooling in between. So far, it is BEAUTIFUL if I do say so myself! Smooth as a new baby's butt as my hubby would say!! Again, thanks for your help!!

[Hi_Ho_Sliver]

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I don't know about Lowe's but home depot doesn't carry the commercial/professional whatever you want to call it cyan. glue...I bought the first bottle at a local gift shop..and this last bottle from a hobby store....I believe woodcraft sells it as CA glue, different viscosities and the accelerator...as I said earlier, you need the accelerator to stick the parts together before it has a chance to soak into the wood....and it doesn't sound like you have the heavy duty stuff! Maybe a google search for CA glue? Another brand is Jet...and I think there are probably many more....