does any one know what this means

[minowevie]

Hi group. does anyone know what the heck this means. and should i be conserand. I sure would like to be over with this. so i can go on with my scrolling. this sure had me misralbale. Here is the link. being the sencetive gale i am. I hate making mistakes. but will this save someone . some embarresmont. your friend Evie http://scroll-saw.blogspot.com/ Barry do you feel alittle leaft out here. just wonted you to defend your self. did you notice they don't mention are amends. thats just a bunch of crap..

[Marcel in Longueuil]

A blog full of self serving crap!

Evie,

All his entries are putting down other groups and people.

He is a lurker, doesn't contribute, and thinks he is better than everyone.

Don't worry about it. He takes things out of context, comments on them and doesn't show any courtesy or professionalism

That is from the mind of a very frustrated fellow. I feel sorry for him.

Regards,
Marcel

[CanadianScroller]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, specially on their own blog.
It is a sad day when people take enjoyment out of other peoples misery.

The thing I find frustrating here is nothing transpired, There were no violations of copyright laws. No patterns were traded.
People asked questions, people offered to help and people explained some of the laws in the United States regarding copyrights.

End of story.

We are all a little smarter than we were before the post.
The only way you can cure ignorance is through education. I use the term ignorance in the concept of not knowing, not as a derogatory term.

I hope the positive attitudes within this forum will outshine any negative ones.
I feel strongly that all the players in this debate want to promote good scrolling practices. Sharing a hobby that we all love is what it is about.

Thats all I have to say about that.... in my best Forrest Gump Voice

[Jediscroller]

Evie,
You'll notice a comment or 2 from me on that site. He or she particularly likes to attack one of the groups I'm very active in. They're usually wrong and always rude. As Carl said, everyone's entitled to their opinion, no matter how idiotic they sound.
Bottom line, 'tis nothing to worry about. They can spout off all they want, there's millions of blogs with all kinds of garbage on them, this is just one more.

[William Young (SE BC)]

Evie;
Someone sent me a link to that blog sometime last fall. It is some person that likes to state the way he/she feels about certain topics and apparently it has all to do about scrolling and no other forms of woodworking. So it is probably safe to assume that he/she is probably an avid scroller as a primary interest . I bookmarked it as many others have way back last year when I was alerted of it and I check in every couple weeks or so just to see what he/she has to say and a certain amount of it has to be taken with a grain of salt while some of it holds quite a bit of merit..
Different people have asked me who the person is that has that blog site but nobody seems to know for sure . I am just as curious as to who it is as you and others are but he/she is keeping it a closely guarded secret. Some have suggested who it "might" be but nobody seems to have proof.
I hope you don't loose any sleep over it. I think if we never respond to anything in that blog it will help to keep it from escalating. I for one have NEVER posted a single response to any message in there. Some have responded and it usually did nothing more than escalate it into a more or less form of flaming. Matter of fact I have never posted a single response in any blog on the entire internet because there are enough legitamate forums and private email and PM etc ways of airing our views. Seems these blog types of communication that we never heard of not long ago are popping up all over the place on various subjects. If they don't put a proper website with their name and contact address's , then I don't feel they are worth responding to but just read and either agree or disagree and not get involved..
I realize why reading that latest entry might have upset you but don't let it. Things like that from unknowns are not worth loosing any sleep over.
Take care my friend and I can appreciate your feelings about it.
Your friend . . Bill Young.
W.Y.

[lucky788scroller]

Note that Evie.... What Bill said... If someone isnt man enough to put their name behind their word, its nothing to get worked up about!! Relax and get back to scrolling all them trays you recently had requests for!!! Dale

[ozarkhillbilly]

Evie, listen to what we're telling you hon, dont pay no attention to a nameless **** disturber, shame on you sis for wasting all those precious moments reading and worrying over his ramblings when you could of been in front of your saw making dust and beautiful projects for us all to admire!!

Your friend,Bill

[Gill]

Warning - long post

I am a great admirer of Theodore Roosevelt. Some of you may recall that I once used a quote from a speech of his to the Paris Sorbonne as part of my signature block. I think it's time we reminded ourselves of that speech:

Let the man of learning, the man of lettered leisure, beware of that queer and cheap temptation to pose to himself and to others as a cynic, as the man who has outgrown emotions and beliefs, the man to whom good and evil are as one. The poorest way to face life is to face it with a sneer. There are many men who feel a kind of twister pride in cynicism; there are many who confine themselves to criticism of the way others do what they themselves dare not even attempt. There is no more unhealthy being, no man less worthy of respect, than he who either really holds, or feigns to hold, an attitude of sneering disbelief toward all that is great and lofty, whether in achievement or in that noble effort which, even if it fails, comes to second achievement. A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticise work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life's realities - all these are marks, not as the possessor would fain to think, of superiority but of weakness. They mark the men unfit to bear their part painfully in the stern strife of living, who seek, in the affection of contempt for the achievements of others, to hide from others and from themselves in their own weakness. The rôle is easy; there is none easier, save only the rôle of the man who sneers alike at both criticism and performance.

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. Shame on the man of cultivated taste who permits refinement to develop into fastidiousness that unfits him for doing the rough work of a workaday world. Among the free peoples who govern themselves there is but a small field of usefulness open for the men of cloistered life who shrink from contact with their fellows. Still less room is there for those who deride of slight what is done by those who actually bear the brunt of the day; nor yet for those others who always profess that they would like to take action, if only the conditions of life were not exactly what they actually are. The man who does nothing cuts the same sordid figure in the pages of history, whether he be a cynic, or fop, or voluptuary. There is little use for the being whose tepid soul knows nothing of great and generous emotion, of the high pride, the stern belief, the lofty enthusiasm, of the men who quell the storm and ride the thunder. Well for these men if they succeed; well also, though not so well, if they fail, given only that they have nobly ventured, and have put forth all their heart and strength. It is war-worn Hotspur, spent with hard fighting, he of the many errors and valiant end, over whose memory we love to linger, not over the memory of the young lord who "but for the vile guns would have been a valiant soldier."

We active scrollers who contribute to this forum are 'in the arena'. We are following the noble philosophy of a great American by testing ourselves in public, by sometimes coming up short, by sometimes achieving success. When Marsha asked for assistance, we offered it to her unquestioningly because she had justified her request. It was quite clear that she had already acquired a legitimate copy of the pattern which had been lost and simply wanted a replacement. Those of us who had the pattern and were true-hearted recognised her legitimacy and came to her assistance. We've all had patterns in the past which we've lost and we know how irritating it can be. Some people warned against potential copyright infringement and they were right to do so, although it was accepted by the end of the debate that there was no copyright infraction.

The person who writes that blog is an anonymous, cowardly traitor to a noble creed which is at the heart of a great nation. Having been accused myself in the recent past of being anti-American, let me (as a Briton) level that charge against the blogger. Shame on you for betraying your heritage, for adopting a craven philosophy, and for maligning a forum which has offered you open hospitality.

Those who contribute to this forum are all following a chivalric notion that stems back into time immemorial, of helping others and standing up to be counted for both our beliefs and our works. Martin Luther once said, "Here I stand, I can do no other". This is the approach which provokes logical debate, which helps us to understand what motivates those who differ from us and which brings light where there is darkness. Through history some people have paid with their lives for adopting this philosophy. It would be ridiculous to suggest that our contributions to this forum are on a par with such martyrs, but I do believe those of us who are active here share that same tradition which has made our societies better places. We are standing resolutely with straight backs in a public arena, ready to take whatever brickbats or laurels may come our way. But whatever may come, we will stand firm and remain publicly accountable.

Gill

[Marsha]

Gill,
Thank you for a wonderfull post.

When Evie sent the site to me, I too was a little upset, however reading all these posts has certainly made me realize how silly that is.
When a person dosen't have the balls to put their name to it, it dosen't deserve anyone's time or effort.

Marsha

[minowevie]

Gosh Gill that was great. how can i copy that. LOL. boy you all sure helped me stand up straight again. I don't think i will go look at anymore of the blog sights. I do thank the one who sent this one to me. as far as i am consearned it is over now. I make lots of mistakes in my life, but i will say one thing. one of them is not hurting people. and I have never had friends as good as you guys are. I would much rather be in this forum lauphing and sharing, than out there creating crap , to make myself look smarter, and hurting others with half truths. so back to my tiles. I have to get them done. now i have a new outlook on life again. watch out babby. lost my icons?????your frined Evie

[Rick-H]

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I can say I have read that blog too and don't really agree with all of it. It does bring up some good points sometime. But it is still just one person's thoughts, kind of like a protester or editorial. Some will agree and some disagree.

But I still look at the original thing that caused all of this. What was being done was wrong. Even Shannon stated in her post that " It is true that sharing patterns or selling them is a violation of the copyright. "

Evie removed all of her posts on the original thread so the context of the whole thread is lost as to why some of the other posts were made. Anyone following it in the future will be lost as to what happened.

But lets look at Gills comment " It was quite clear that she had already acquired a legitimate copy of the pattern which had been lost and simply wanted a replacement. Those of us who had the pattern and were true-hearted recognised her legitimacy and came to her assistance. We've all had patterns in the past which we've lost and we know how irritating it can be. Some people warned against potential copyright infringement and they were right to do so, although it was accepted by the end of the debate that there was no copyright infraction.

Now lets reword that: It was quite clear that she had already acquired some money and lost it and simply wanted a replacement. Those of us who had money and were true-hearted recognised her legitimacy and came to her assistance. We've all had money in the past which we've lost and we know how irritating it can be. So we offered to rob a bank to get her replacement money, because that is where our money came from. Some people warned that robbing a bank was illegal. So the person did not rob the bank, but didn't send them money out of their pocket either.

When something seems wrong there are always people who see it and will make comments about it. It seems to be human nature to try and correct people that are doing wrong things against society or other people. I will continue to post responses to things that I feel are wrong or illegal. And I am not afraid to give my name that it is my comment.

[Neal Moore]

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Well, I read the blog and now wish I had not wasted the five minutes it took to do it (not many replys considering how long it's been on the net). I did find part of it rather amusing in that whoever authored it actually thinks that He/She is in part responsible for the "Bill of Rights" instituted here on the forum. I think what we have here is a self appointed VIP trying to bolster their loner ego by criticizing a tight knit group of friends. Who cares???!!! BTW Gill.....very elequent summation of the facts....YOU GO GIRL!!!!!

[Marcel in Longueuil]

Rick,

You are comparing what happened to a bank robery?

What have you been smoking?

You say you are against what was posted in the thread and I respect that. But blowing thing out of proportion like this is not helping anyone.

You made your point in the original thread and everybody got that. And while related, this thread is not about copyrights, it's about a fellow scrollworker that has been hitting herself on the head over your comments on her intent, not her acts.

But hitting someone that is already down, well that is really cheap on your part!

You have been reading the posts in here, or you would not have replied in the threads, and I assume you are an intelligent man, so I will presume that you know how Evie has been feeling about WHAT SHE SAID, NOT WHAT SHE DID BECAUSE SHE DID NOT DO ANYTHING WRONG.

So you want to comment on the blog?
Fine
You want to take on Evie and GILL?
Well dude, you are going to have to take on a lot of people in here, me first.

You seem good at preaching that pattern makers are to be respected in their copyrights, and I completely agree with you.

Now how about showing some respect to your fellow scrollers by not throwing fuel on a fire?

I have no intent to start a war, but I will not sit iddle and let you hurt people I respect.
You want to express you opinion on copyrights, fine, start another thread.
You want to shamelessly hurt someone that is already hurting and admiting it? That is the act of a coward!

I will welcome you with open arms when you bring something positive, as you have in the past.

I am sure you can find on the net many people sharing copyrited patterns, maybe even having them on their website where millions can download them.
Make yourself usefull and go after them instead of hurting someone feeling guilty about THINKING of sharing a pattern with ONE other person!

And that is MY opinion, and I'm also not hiding.

Marcel LeBlanc

[Rick-H]

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Marcel

I guess you just don't like the way I write and try to explain things in terms that some people may understand. You comment about comparison to a bank robbery. But you had no comment about the comparison to Theodore Roosevelt speech to the Paris Sorbonne. Both were written to express a point that the person writing the message was trying to make.

I did not bring this copyright subject up again, my comments, I felt, were all related to what the original post was asking about.

A person offered to do something I didn't agree with in sharing patterns. It could have been anyone and my thoughts would have been the same. I don't have to put names of who did what in my post, just comments of the in general what happened is all that is needed. What happened on that was over at the end of that thread, so lets move on to another subject.

[3_M]

Gill and Marcel two excellent postings.

Rick also knows who the blogger is. They had 3 links on the blog, one was from Rick and two from the two scroll saw magazines. I don't want to mention a name, (The person is know by me) but Rick was told that the magazines were very unhappy to be associated with that blog. 15 minutes later all 3 links were removed.
Here is a profile of the blogger:
http://scroll-saw.blogspot.com/2005/...rs-anyone.html Too bad this person is a member of SAW.

Mike M