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    board! What an honor! I'd like to thank the academy..., uh, wrong speech. Anyway, I posted a question in another section concerning aquiring planks and rounds because I want to try something. I'd like to cut a portrait, more specifically a Zaffino type piece, into a plank. Is it possible to cut a portrait into a plank or would the detail be to much? I'd imagine the extra thickness, as opposed to 1/8" BB, would add stability to the more fragile pieces but would the thicker spiral take away some detail. I've seen some nice stuff into planks and thought I'd try it with a spin.
    Confuscious says, "The cautious seldom err".
    Confuscious didn't own a scrollsaw either.

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    Hi Capt., Answers to your questions are yes and yes. Yes, it is possible and yes, it will detract somewhat from the portrait. My experience anyway. I personnally wouldn't do it with a JZ type with having so much detail. However, with less detail and a material thickness in the area of 1/4 inch - 3/8 inch does look okay. The finer the detail in solid wood the greater the chance of break/blow out vs 3-5 ply stability. IMO - A JZ type cutting in 1/2 inch ply does not look as good as it does in 1/8 inch ply.

    Paul S.

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    • #3
      I didn't know the stacked ply would be more stable than a plank. I guess thats why you ask questions. Now that you mentioned it, I guess an 1/8" piece would look better than a 1/2" piece. Won't have the depth to look at or detract from the piece itself. I've been doing some JZ portraits and was just trying to incorporate it into my "wanna try it" idea an aspect of scrolling I haven't ventured into yet. Might have to back up and punt here on it. I guess its true that sometimes the best art is the simplest art.
      Confuscious says, "The cautious seldom err".
      Confuscious didn't own a scrollsaw either.

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      • #4
        Personally, I don't think detail would be lost if you used a lighter wood. I cut all my portraits out of 1/4" BB and I have cut a few Forest Leaf Patterns out of 1/2" maple. Awhile back, Dale posted a bunch of Forest Leaf products, many that he cut out of 5/8" oak. There was quite a lot of veining and some fine detail, and they looked great. I just wouldn't use spiral blades on these. Actually, I won't use spirals blades on anything, if I can help it.
        Mike

        Making sawdust with a Dremel 1680.
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        • #5
          Hi Capt., I also have alot of the leaves posted in the gallrey out of 5/8" oak and my portraits are 1/2" maple. The portraits are simple compared to JZ's. Steve
          If This HillBilly Can't Fix it Then it Ain't Broke!!!
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Steviegwood
            Hi Capt., I also have alot of the leaves posted in the gallrey out of 5/8" oak and my portraits are 1/2" maple. The portraits are simple compared to JZ's. Steve

            What blades do you use to cut 1/2 inch maple, Steve?
            Ian

            Scrolling with a Dewalt 788

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            • #7
              [CENTER]I can't cut a portrait with anything but spirals. I've been cutting with spirals for so long now I think I can probably cut a straighter line with a spiral than a flat. Found that out recently when I couldn't compensate for blade drift and was all over the place. Took me a bit to get the feel back.
              [CENTER]I can cut with the spirals and deal with the fuzzies.I'm just wondering about strength of the piece and how'd it look. I just cut a Harley-Davidson shield out of 9/16" poplar and had trouble with it cutting at an angle and I ended up with a relief cut. That is something I'd have to take into account as well. Had same trouble on some 5/8" puzzles once. With the H-D piece I tilited the table to compensate for the angle and direction I was cutting and got it pretty close to back straight. If I keep on here I'm gonna talk myself outta of it if I'm not careful.
              Confuscious says, "The cautious seldom err".
              Confuscious didn't own a scrollsaw either.

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              • #8
                blades

                Originally posted by PuzzledMoose
                What blades do you use to cut 1/2 inch maple, Steve?
                Hi Ian, I use olson 7RG PGT on almost everything except hickory and then I will use the 5RG PGT. I usually only cut 1/2" and 5/8". I have some 5RG PGT for thinner stock if the need arises. Steve
                If This HillBilly Can't Fix it Then it Ain't Broke!!!
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                • #9
                  Hey Capt. check out this plank cutting. http://www.scrollsawer.com/gallery/s....php/photo/229
                  There was another member awhile back who posted that he was cutting a JZ pattern using planks, I think he was doing an elephant pattern. I'll see if I can pull up the thread.
                  Bill

                  DeWalt 788



                  aut viam inveniam aut faciam

                  God gives us only what we can handle.. Apparently God thinks I am one tough cookie.....

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                  • #10
                    Capt. here is the link to the thread where we were discussing planks and such. The other members name is rain man. I haven't seen him online for some time now. But he did some nice work using slabs.
                    http://www.scrollsawer.com/forum/sho...?t=7624&page=2
                    Bill

                    DeWalt 788



                    aut viam inveniam aut faciam

                    God gives us only what we can handle.. Apparently God thinks I am one tough cookie.....

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                    • #11
                      I just wanted to chime in that if I were to do a slab, say red oak, at 3/4th inch thickness, I would still use a 2/0 spiral. I find a 2/0 cuts just as easily as a bigger spiral, because your removing less wood, and theres less heat from friction built up , all you got to do is be gentle on the blade, but it will cut it ok. Dale
                      Dale w/ yella saws

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                      • #12
                        I didn't think a 2/0 would cut 1/2" BB but found it did and surprisingly well. I found that ocoochhardwoods has Walnut, Butternut and Cherry planks. They're $8-$9/ft for 3/4" x 10" at least x 2' min. Not as bad a price as I would have thought. Itascawood products have a variety of Basswood planks. That said, I guess if ya' look hard enough you'll find it. If I do try it I figure I'll try a piece of cheap Basswood first before I ruin a nice piece of cherry.


                        Ozark,I cut that same JZ bucks pattern for x-mas and all 4 sold before I could get them framed and have orders for 2 more pending. It is a hot piece here in my neck of the woods. And I don't think my 788 could quite handle an 8' slab like that, I mean 8' tree. Man that thing pretty. I think I saw that one or a large one similar in SSW I think and was blown away immediatly hoping that when I grow up I might could try something smaller. Wife said forget it, I'll never grow up.
                        Confuscious says, "The cautious seldom err".
                        Confuscious didn't own a scrollsaw either.

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                        • #13
                          I don't see a problem cutting an intricate pattern in hardwood instead of plywood. Granted, you will need to pay attention to grain orientation and stay away from softer woods like basswood and poplar. I've found thin hickory, ash, maple, and oak (3/32-1/8) to be VERY strong and tough when cutting large pieces out and leaving relatively delicate bridges in place.

                          Here's a modified WTB pattern in 3/32 hickory that fits in an 8" x 10" frame. Definitely not a JZ type pattern, but I wouldn't be worried to give one a go with hard hardwoods. I stack cut 2 pieces of hickory and 2 pieces of oak, with a 1/8 plywood backer.

                          Blade used was a FD #5 Polar.no spirals

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                          ‎"Orphans are easier to ignore before you know their names. They're easier to ignore before you see their faces. It's easier to pretend they're not real before you hold them in your arms. But once you do, everything changes."

                          D. Platt

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                          • #14
                            I've cut intricate stuff out of different kinds of slabs. I don't use spirals however. I do disagree a bit with Barry on the basswood. I've had good results with basswood rounds as well. Mahogany is my favorite slab to work with as it's very resilient and cuts like butter.
                            There are pics in my album of various slab and round cuttings.
                            Kevin
                            Scrollsaw Patterns Online
                            Making holes in wood with an EX-30, Craftsman 16" VS, Dremel 1680 and 1671

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                            • #15
                              I have cut a few of Jeff Zaffino's patterns and have tried both 1/8" and 1/4" BB and prefer the 1/4". Do not get as much breakage with the thicker plywood.
                              Mick, - Delta P-20

                              A smile is a small curve that straightens everything out.

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