copy patterns at store

[joe256]

hi

At the copy store they wont copy a pattern that has a copyright on it.

Any suggestions?

joe 256

[BobD (Archive)]

If it's from Scroll Saw Workshop, we include the tag: "Note to professional Copy Services. You may make up to ten copies of these patterns for the personal use of the buyer of this magazine."

Show the copy store that, and you shouldn't have any problems.

Bob Duncan
Scroll Saw Workshop

[joe256]

Some patterns do not have that permission on the pattern, so what do u do?

[BobD (Archive)]

Are they in the magazine?
Bob

[joe256]

Thanks Bob, I did not know it was in the magazine. I always go right to the new articles.

[jttheclockman]

Simple

Copy it yourself. Copiers are so easy to use.

[joe256]

The pattern was to large to copy on there regular copier. I wanted to reduce the pattern.

[jttheclockman]

Do you have a KINKOS near you?? If you do they have a copier that will reduce large prints.

[Gill]

Hi Joe

If the pattern isn't too detailed you could trace it (omitting the copyright details, of course ) using tracing paper and ask the shop to copy your copy.

I'm surprised you had problems getting the pattern copied, so long as you were only after the one copy for your personal use. After all, what's the point of having a pattern if you can't preserve the original by making a working copy? Surely it's implicit in the copyright that working copies can be made. If that wasn't the case there would be no point in designing pattern books because it would be illegal to use them.

Gill

[PiALaModem]

Hi Joe

Surely it's implicit in the copyright that working copies can be made. If that wasn't the case there would be no point in designing pattern books because it would be illegal to use them.

Gill

Copying patterns for personal use most likely comes under the "Fair Use" exception. copying them in order to produce quantities for sale would not. Some books and magazines don't carry any permission notice because people are so careless about intellectual property rights it's become assumed that you'll just copy anything you want. Look at all the unlicensed stuff out there, Nascar, Disney, you name it. People feel that this stuff is just in the air and doesn't belong to anyone.

[Grizz]

If it's from Scroll Saw Workshop, we include the tag: "Note to professional Copy Services. You may make up to ten copies of these patterns for the personal use of the buyer of this magazine."
Scroll Saw Workshop

I'm sure that has some legal ramifications but does not make a lot of sense. You could go out the door and come back in and get ten more on the spot.

I've always used a "Kinkos" if I need to enlarge or reduce a pattern that will not fit on my copier. Never have I been asked if something was copy writed or not, usually a bunch of college or high school students waiting on me.

[BobD (Archive)]

Actually, we say 10 because without a limit, some copy stores will still not photocopy the pattern...here's our stance on the issue:

We fully intend for you to make copies of the patterns to cut out! That is why we print them. The pattern is copyrighted so you can make copies for your personal use, but you can't make copies and sell those copies!

Bob

[Grizz]

Bob...

Ahhhhhhhhhhh.

-Jon

[Woodbutcher68]

So how does making 10 copies, stack-cutting 5 pieces at a time and selling 50 pieces fit into the copyright picture?
Legal? Ethical or what?

[PiALaModem]

So how does making 10 copies, stack-cutting 5 pieces at a time and selling 50 pieces fit into the copyright picture?
Legal? Ethical or what?

It really depends on what the publisher intends. Making mechanical copies is only part of it. I just contributed a pattern to a national magazine that carries a permission for up to ten mechanical copies. (Guess which one?) I would be really upset (if a little surprised) to see someone feeding it into a program and laser-cutting thousands of copies of my unique design. I would not care if someone took the time to cut a few hundred of them for sale at craft shows (stack-cutting is out of the question, since the pattern is 3-d -- and I can't cut them any faster than three per hour, so best luck to them!). I would feel a little weird being beside that person at a craft show, though!

I wouldn't take someone else's pattern and cut it for sale at a crafts show or online. That's my own need to feel creative and not an ethical or legal opinion.

I agree with Gill that someone publishing a pattern in a national forum (magazine, book, or whatever) should not be surprised, but rather flattered, if other people cut that pattern. And sell it (not the pattern, but the work of craft that results from cutting the pattern), within reason. By within reason I mean that the objects were cut from the pattern by hand.

However, I have a problem with patterns that use other people's property for sale. If you want to cut a Mickey Mouse or Dale Earnhardt or Eeyore for your neice or granddaughter, go ahead. But when you bring it to a show and try to sell it, that's another thing. You may be under the radar, but that doesn't make it right.