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  • #16
    I would love to have a laser that would cut through 1/2 inch ply. I do a lot of flat work and pen/bowl lathe turning. In those cases I have something to align boards against or the chisel to rest upon. With the Scrollsaw and with the Jigsaw, I can do OK but not great. I had about 1/2" of bone and the tip of my thumb cut off about 40 years ago (forklift accident while in seminary) and the tip of the thumb was grafted into the forefinger to get the blood flowing; later they were separated. That eventually caused a large knuckle that is very arthritic today.

    I used to love to freehand with the jigsaw and I loved the things I learned to make on the Scrollsaw when in Japan. Today, I have trouble following the lines. Without a guide as in chisel rest or router guide or TS fence or bandsaw fence, I would be hard put to get the right cuts. But I love to create and make things.

    That said, I still don't have the right "feel" for Scrollsaw like I used to have almost 30 years ago. Even with the blade charts, I sometimes feel that I am using the wrong blade for the situation. The Dewalt is not that big of a vibrator but it is enough that makes my hand tired an shaky after about 30 minutes.

    That said, years ago when living in Japan, I went to someone's home in Kobe (worked for Catapillar) and he had a beautiful cherry grandfathers clock. It was hand made and hand finished. No mistakes on it, but it was obvious that it was not a machine made, assembled and finished. It looked so magnificent. As I admired it, the owner asked me what I thought. I told him that it was not a factory made clock and it was magnificently hand made. He just beamed!

    There is a difference between finely made items by hand and machine made. If I can afford it, I will pay for the higher quality hand made over machine made.

    I live between two worlds. I grew up so traditional and value traditional things . . . but I love new technology. And, I would love to have a powerful laser cutter.
    Last edited by leehljp; 03-24-2019, 04:49 PM.
    Hank Lee
    Experience is what you get when you don't get what you wanted.

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    • #17
      I really like new toys but have no room in the shop for anything like those. Maybe I need a bigger shop.
      Pacifism is great, as long as everyone is participating.



      StephenD


      The Southern Arizona Woodturners Association
      Desert Woodcrafters
      Grandpa for the 7 most amazing children.

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      • #18
        Stephen,We all need a bigger shop and most of all time.

        Hank I like what you said "There is a difference between finely made items by hand and machine made. If I can afford it, I will pay for the higher quality hand made over machine made." but I will add for me only in the things that should be handcrafted.
        Last edited by Rolf; 03-26-2019, 04:05 PM.
        Rolf
        RBI G4 Hawk, Delta SS350, Nova 1624 DVR XP
        Philosophy "I don't know that I can't, therefore I can"
        Proud Member of the Long Island Woodworkers Club
        And the Long Island Scrollsaw Association

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        • #19
          To me it looks like a new toy for the workshop. Do I think it would totally replace my saws? No. I love what I do and how I do it. A lot of the people that come through my booth at craft fairs assume the work is Laser anyway and some of those don't believe you when you tell them its not anyway. I like the engraving idea but really don't think I would be able to use it for anything else.

          I do know one thing. Once the wife sees the cost of the next gen stuff she will definitely say no.
          Brian in the Four Corners

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          • #20
            What a great topic, Rolf. I am intrigued by the CNC and laser. At the last SWWC get together, one of the vendors had a CNC cutter next to Sand Flee. I bought the Sand Flee. I like the fact that I control the wood as the saw cuts, not watching the CNC cut. My enjoyment is sitting at the scroll saw and "following the lines". Like Betty, I give credit to the designers. If I were younger, I would invest in a laser if for only engraving.

            Denny
            Denny
            ArtCrafters in Dayton, TN

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            • #21
              It's an interesting topic, with a lot of varying perspectives. I don't sell stuff, so I don't feel any competitive pressure. I certainly have no problems with anyone else pursuing any of these high tech avenues, as long as they are represented honestly. I think it boils down to what each person wants out of their hobby. Personally, I'm not all that interested in computers and programming, so CNC, Lasers or 3D printing aren't in my future. I make sawdust because I like the intimate, hands-on nature of the craft. I use machines because I like the speed and convenience, but part of me really admires the hard core woodworking traditionalists, in the mold of Roy Underhill, who are devoted to using tools and techniques that pre-date the Industrial Revolution.


              I think there will always be a market for "traditional", hand-made items. That market has endured, and will continue to endure, pretty significant ebbs & flows as consumer's tastes evolve. Technology is a fact of life. Some will enthusiastically jump on board, others will be dragged, kicking & screaming and others will be content to sit on the sidelines and observe. But there really isn't much point in trying to stand in the way.
              Homer : "Oh, and how is education supposed to make me feel smarter. Besides, every time I learn something new, it pushes some old stuff out of my brain."

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              • #22
                Well said Bill. I used to watch Roy Underhill religiously when I was younger and long before I got serious about my hobby.

                I am very pleased with how this topic is being discussed, thank you all. At times laser and CNC gets as ugly as political discussions.
                Rolf
                RBI G4 Hawk, Delta SS350, Nova 1624 DVR XP
                Philosophy "I don't know that I can't, therefore I can"
                Proud Member of the Long Island Woodworkers Club
                And the Long Island Scrollsaw Association

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